SOMEbody doesn't like this war!

Johnny Autonmous, 19.03.2007 20:00

A well coordinated attack on an Army recruiting station leaves the public speechless and the cops confused!

[125 responses...]

Says it all!

An angry mob, chanting slogans and lighting up the night sky make a statement against the USA war in Iraq.

More photos 19.03.2007 - 20:34 LOVE THE ARMY HATE THE ARMY Off clock Dominoes guy . Johnny Autonmous> Woooo Hoooo!!! 19.03.2007 - 21:04 Wooooo Hoooooo!!! Confused cops? Since when are they any other way? They are always confused between the power of the people and the power of the state. Intelligence? They don't got any. The people know what time it is, it's time to organize! All power to the people. Lucy Parsons> Violence Achieves Nothing 19.03.2007 - 21:13 One man's revolutionary is another man’s fundamentalist. You’re discrediting the whole anti-war movement! Violence against person or property is wrong and just fuels more hate. I’m disappointed. The Voice of Milwaukee> fuckin shit up 19.03.2007 - 22:21 and what did peace action do to accomplish shit? this is one of the most powerful things i've been related with in a while and fuck you if you don't think it's accomplishing shit. all the people see this on the news, they can learn that we're fucking pissed. we don't fuck around anon> some great social statements here. 20.03.2007 - 00:03 Hey "voice of milwaukee." Tell that to Michael Cullen and Phil Berrigan. Property destruction never solves anything? They burned draft notices with homemade napalm. Right there on Wisconsin Avenue.  http://www.uwm.edu/Libraries/arch/nhd2005/htm/vietnam.htm How about we have a real discussion of whether (or when) property destruction is actually violence and when it is not. That would sure beat a condescending catfight anywhere. I'll tell you what sets back our movement... marco> get a life moonbats 20.03.2007 - 03:29 morons. somebody should rub the excrement you smeared on the inside in your faces. army vet> right on 20.03.2007 - 05:02 i went to the peace action rally on saturday...almost fell asleep. i left that rally feeling depressed, and ineffectual. and then i thought, well, at least we made a statement that the people of milwaukee will hear. and then...nothing. no press coverage. i couldnt even find a mention anywhere. i guess we didnt make a statement. this here rally last night, well, at least their message was heard. good job folks. bored> NPR Report 20.03.2007 - 06:28 Hey Kids, I just heard on NPR that 6 people were "cited" by police for this action. Anyone know the details about the citations or arrests? Anonymous> protest tactics 20.03.2007 - 07:37 Why do people feel that this type of action is the only alternative to a Peace Action, family-oriented style protest? There are many other methods, tactics, and ideas that don't have to help the media demonize the anti-war movement and left in general. Let's get truly creative! Because right now, you are doing the work of FBI infiltrators/instigators, but as volunteers! The oligarchy and right wing of the country is falling more and more in love with the anarchist movement every day. steve> Big Deal 20.03.2007 - 07:41 Congrats, kiddies. You got some ink. You broke some windows. That should bring the troops home any day now, huh? You guys are angry, and I can relate, anyone who's been awake for the last four years (not too many, sadly) is angry. And having broken a window or two I am not about to rip you guys for doing the same. But getting all dressed up and playing guerrilla ninja protest warrior is the easy part. Now what are you going to do? Just being loud and breaking stuff may make you feel good and may draw the attention of the lapdog media for a few seconds. But now what do you do? Yeah, right, dude, the people will see you're pissed. That's like, so incredibly interesting. Put that together with two bucks and you can buy a cup of coffee at Willow Creek. The challenge is to come up with something that serves an interest that's broader and more worthwhile than letting you blow off steam and making you feel good. Otherwise you're just like those losers who break windows on State Street in Madison every time a sports team wins a big game. What are you going to do? C'mon, don't be shy. beenthere> clarifications 20.03.2007 - 08:09 twenty one people were arrested last night as a result of this action. the charges as of now are disorderly conduct, but more serious charges may be forthcoming. as for the comments on this action- 1) over 3000 US service men have died in a war that does not benefit them. 650,000 iraqis have died as a direct result of imperialistic actions of the US. this has been going on for four years now and more people die every day. maybe for some people in this country it that is easy to not have a ton of rage about but not us. 2) sign holding and chanting has never stopped a war. it will never stop a war alone. we need a diversity of tactics that includes those things and militant actions like last night. we have to make every attempt to throw a wrench in the works of the war machine. 3) people involved in last night are involved in other community organizing. it's not an either/or situation it's a we need it all situation. 4) we need to have some goddamn solidarity in this movement. it's one thing to be critical but we need to have eachothers backs in all things. as long as this war continues we need to do all that we can to stop it. ARA kid> solidarity and support 20.03.2007 - 08:22 Let us know of any need for solidarity and support. IF any funds or bodies are needed to help out just say the word. Thank you those of you who particiated in this action and chose to seek other outlets than just pretending and imagining it will all get better by holding a sign, your courage inspires us all. Love and Solidarity. nestor> goodness 20.03.2007 - 08:30 Some repsonses to the haters: Dear 'The Voice of Milwaukee': guess what? those that hate anti-war protestors hate you just as much as the window breaking kind, even if you pass out flowers all day and hold a peace sign in a peaceful march. look at the counter-demonstrators in DC this past weekend. dear 'steve': those are some heavy accusations. you shouldn't throw that shit around lightly. those same things have been said about the more radical elements of every single movement. and you know what, the moderate elements in a movement gain more legitimacy by not being seen as the radical edge. look at the civil rights movement. dr. king had negotiating power because he could say, look, you either start making these concessions or there will be riots in the streets. so militant tactics have a place and you need to realize that you only look moderate because there is more militant folks willing to risk repression to start making this war have real costs at home. also, why is anyone worried about the 'anti-war movement' getting bad press?!? the country already agrees with us. that's why those marches are SO ineffectual: because almost everyone already AGREES. it's time to move on to the next phase of the movement, the phase where you actually start DOING SOMETHING TO TRY AND STOP THE WAR, instead of trying to 'educate the public' and 'get good press', because people are already in agreement. they don't come to te marches because they see it does no good. if all you marchers would put energy into taking action to stop the war instead of actions to try and publicize your dissent and you started being effective i bet a lot more people would join in, or at least begin supporting you in a serious way. it's time to fight back, the public is already on our side! ha> in solidarity 20.03.2007 - 08:36 Hey all I am so proud of all of you. Your bravey, determination, motivation, passion, and love inspire me. I am sorry I couldn't be there with you. I'll pass word on to my Philly people today at a M20 rally at UPenn. Much love from Philly! p.s. I will donate money when I get home next week. taylor> THANK YOU! 20.03.2007 - 09:08 I paintbombed and attempted to break the windows of one up north and got caught. Now I have a hefty fine and a load of court date ahead of me. So thank you for avenging me! Yours Truely, XCX OF JTFC PS: To all those who say, violence doesn't solve anything. Property destruction is not violence, it is even recognized that way by the law books. If you don't think it does anything read up about the Boston Tea Party for one example. XCX OF JTFC> mix it up, do it again 20.03.2007 - 09:15 one of the principles i've learned in my studies as a wildlife ecologist is that to make a difference with large populations of beings that cannot be easily communicated with, you have to be diverse and frequent. this act alone may not have done a whole lot, as evidenced by the other side being rather sarcastic at the futility of the operation. however, if you keep it going weekly while changing the location you do it at, you will get even more coverage. same with the fliers. don't stop with one day. go print some more and put them up again, changing the locations slightly. variety and frequency will produce notoriety. vary the protests themselves, as well. most people can't relate to the anarchist approach to protesting because it is intimidating. but it is a great tool to gain initial attention before the numbers grow large enough to really make a difference. if you don't repeat and vary, breaking a few windows will, in fact, be nothing but futile. dog walker> Pawns as usual 20.03.2007 - 09:35 So, thump your chests all you want, nothing was achieved. I don't even have to see the headlines to know how they will play. This action does not speak for a majority of anyone, and I'm speaking of the GROWING majority that no longer supports the war. As far as concerted action against the war, you've pretty much shit your nest. "Its On (skull and crossbones)," "No war but class war" Is it possible to sound more like an out-of-control, adolescent male? Just gimme some action. Its easier than thinking. stevek> Clarification 20.03.2007 - 09:50 To clarify, I would agree that peace action protests achieve nothing. Peace action is, well, peace action. As for goodness, I don’t think Martin Luther King ever said start making these connections or there will be riots in the streets. If he ever did, please me know when. I would love to see that quote. My comments were to indicate that Americans as a whole are very cautious of any extremist or fundamental ideology. As goodness said, “The moderate elements in a movement gain more legitimacy by not being seen as the radical edge.” I agree. I’m not against direct action, but if you need to cover your face to do. It’s not going to be effective. And Goodness, I strongly agree that at this point there is no need to persuade the general public. It really doesn’t matter, if all of Milwaukee knows that 20 people are angry about the war. Everyone at this point is. I do believe moving to that next phase of doing something about the war is where people’s frustrations are coming from. Personally, I really don’t know where to go from here. Any ideas? The Voice of Milwaukee> Making a Difference? 20.03.2007 - 10:06 While I completely dissagree with this war and can definately understand the frustration, I don't believe taking destructive action such as this will accomplish much. While you say little will be achieved through peaceful means, I say the same about breaking windows and smearing feces. I, too, want nothing more than for this war to be over immediately, but it does take time to help change the minds of an entire country. It is true that the majority of Americans are now against this war as well, but it has not always been this way. When I started marching/protesting 4 years ago, those of us in the streets were definately in the minority. We were spit on and yelled at, but we held our ground peacefully. I believe that the combination of war coverage and peaceful assembly has shown our fellow countrymen(including those whose family members are forced to fight for something they don't believe in) how incredibly wrong this administration's war is. Our numbers have grown incredibly, and continue to grow rapidly. I think our protesting can now show our government, without doubt, that the majority of our country is against this war. I agree that we need solidarity, we MUST show our dissent. However, I think it must be done by means of our constitutionally guaranteed rights in order to reach the rest of the nation. While I applaud your spirit, enthusiasm, and willingness to further the cause, I'm afraid the action might be a little short-sighted. As someone else said above, there are many other methods, tactics and ideas, so let's get truly creative! Together with a Dem run Congress, I think we stand a good chance of seeing this chapter of war closed soon. Rutherford> Got some attention here 20.03.2007 - 10:31 Just FYI, JSOnline is now linking directly to this article. EthrDemon> Disappointment 20.03.2007 - 10:34 I am very much against the war. I have also lived my whole life in the area of the protest. It is sad and does nothing but create division among anti-war folks. I would ask that you spend your time volunteering at a local homeless shelter or mentoring the kids of Milwaukee who society has turned their back on. That would make a difference. But that would require a real commitment, something which I am sure most of the offenders (and I watched) do not know the meaning of. Neighbor> my son choses a different fight 20.03.2007 - 11:01 While I can understand that your husband fought in this war I am also proud to say that I am a parent of one of "idiots" that you speak of. I am proud that my son can't sit still and meekly walk in a protest holding a sign. It doesn't seem to matter how many people are against this war that the "Shrub" created it will continue until he is gone. Does it make you feel better that they have their "freedom" now that Saddam is dead. Does it make you proud that their countries people are dying and having to exit their country to be safe? Do we have to do that? Have many of us even been affected by this war?! I think not~! But go about your busy selfserving day and don't think about the Iraqi people and the fact that they never know who will come home at the end of the day. old fart> Cowards 20.03.2007 - 11:33 You really made a point this time...Although, I do not think it was the point you were going for! The only point I got from this is that you all are a bunch of cowards hiding behind masks. It seems to me that you all would like to be tough, but are chickens and the only way you can feel like you are is to hide behind masks and go to a building that is unoccupied and break windows. My goodness, your toughness scares me...NOT. I truly believe that you really could care less about the war and that you are just a bunch of punks who are looking for something to vandilize in the name of, and what a better topic than the war. It does seem that a bunch of you were minors, and I am sure your parents are proud. I wonder where they were last night, probably at the Country club with the rest of there alcoholic friends drinking there Gin and Tonics talking about how "little Bobby" is starting the new soccer season soon. Won't they be happy that instead of sitting at home being vegefied by the x-box "little Bobby" finally was out getting some exercise running the streets breaking some windows. I hope that your parents have to pay for all the damage that was done, because I sure as hell do not want to pay for it with my tax dollars! cb> Fuck YOU 20.03.2007 - 11:37 Hey you fucking PUSSIES. The time IS getting short where we'll meet you motherfuckers in the streets. And you're gonna see that WE DON'T FUCK AROUND EITHER. Here's hoping your get meal ticket punched... Eat Shit> Please dont destroy my city 20.03.2007 - 11:43 While protesting the war may or may not be a good thing, destroying property is not. There is a picture of a smoke bomb going off in the street. What if this cause an accident and killed a family? Way to go hippies! Its OK though, because a family of four not nearly as bad as 3000 people that are defending your right to do this crap. The Boston Tea Party? That was a revolution for the freedoms that you now take for granted, as evidenced by this terrible act. What the fuck is wrong with you people? The poster who spoke about being politically effective was spot on. Once again, why is it cool to break stuff and spread your shit all over? Is that solving anything? Does it solve more that a sensible dialog would? Of course it gets you press, but so does shaving your head like Brittany Spears...Way to go Hippies, real intelligent. Milwaukeean> DESU 20.03.2007 - 11:49 DESUDESUDESUDESUDESUDESUDESUDESUDESUDESUDESUDESUDESUDESUDESUDESUDESUDESU DESUDESUDESUDESUDESUDESUDESUDESUDESUDESUDESUDESUDESUDESUDESUDESUDESUDESU DESUDESUDESUDESUDESUDESUDESUDESUDESUDESUDESUDESUDESUDESUDESUDESUDESUDESU DESUDESUDESUDESUDESUDESUDESUDESUDESUDESUDESUDESUDESUDESUDESUDESUDESUDESU DESUDESUDESUDESUDESUDESUDESUDESUDESUDESUDESUDESUDESUDESUDESUDESUDESUDESU DESUDESUDESUDESUDESUDESUDESUDESUDESUDESUDESUDESUDESUDESUDESUDESUDESUDESU DESUDESUDESUDESUDESUDESUDESUDESUDESUDESUDESUDESUDESUDESUDESUDESUDESUDESU My point exactly. Awesometr0n> Peace? 20.03.2007 - 11:56 I always get a kick out of people who claim they want peace and then perform violence to "further" their cause of peace. Kinda gives you a clue as to their thought process doesn't it? And for the person who was complaining about the 3000 dead soliders and 650,000 dead Iraqi's - answer this - how many people did Saddam kill when he was in power? Millions of people... You people just don't have a clue. Go back to your coffee shops and leave the real work to those that know what is really going on in the world. For the war> Full of **** 20.03.2007 - 11:57 Yea you sure showed 'them'....bunch of assholes. Maybe if you educated yourselves - you might have more credibility. Naaaaah that would mean you were informed with FACTS! All you proved - yet again - is that you really ARE full of ****. Just a little nugget of FACT for y'all: It is because of those "stupid" soldiers that you maintain the right to prove you are assholes. You want the troops home? Don't call on them to help YOU when the islam terrorists blow up YOUR neigbourhoood. Now run along and play - leave the BIG issues to the BIG kids.... brat> Silly Kids 20.03.2007 - 12:03 So a bunch of indoctrinated UWM children decided to follow their 60's anti-war liberal professor's advice to "go out and make a difference." The only problem here is that this is the 21st century and there is no longer a draft. People joining the military today do so as volunteers, because they want to, not because they are forced to by some fascist government. You guys should stop sharing the peace pipe with your teachers and start opening your eyes to what is actually happening in this world. Because not even the liberal dems that you voted for are going side with you on this one. The Man> Good job! 20.03.2007 - 12:07 So what'd this accomplish besides making you feel good about yourselves? Do you really think something stupid like this is going to make the war end sooner? Why don't you support something that's productive, like the Iraq Freedom Congress, instead of doing such immature shit as breaking windows and throwing shit? Probably because you're anarchists. Oh, and this is a little off topic, but why does the burned book mobile sell Che books? Do they not know that Che killed anarchists? And what do they do with the money they earn? Do they actually put it to a cause or do they just keep it like some petty-bourgeois scum that they probably are? My bet's on the latter. KC> People's Property vs. STATE sanctioned MURDER 20.03.2007 - 12:11 DOMESTIC IMPACT OF THE WAR November 1967, National Labor Leadership Assembly for Peace The war in Vietnam has produced a shameful order of priorities in which the decay, squalor and pollution of the cities are neglected. And even though 70% of our population now live in them the war has smothered, and nearly extinguished the beginnings of progress toward racial justice. The war has created the bizarre spectacle of armed forces of the United States fighting in ghetto streets in America while they are fighting in jungles in Asia. The war has so increased Negro frustration and despair that urban outbreaks are now an ugly feature of the American scene. How can the Administration, with quivering anger, denounce the violence of ghetto Negroes when it has given an example of violence in Asia that shocks the world. [Applause] The users of naval guns, millions of tons of bombs, and revolting napalm can not speak to Negroes about violence. Only those who are fighting for peace have the moral authority to lecture on non-violence. [Applause] Now I do not want to be misunderstood. I am not equating the so-called Negro violence with the war. The acts of Negroes are infinitely less dangerous and immoral than the deliberate acts of escalation of the war in Vietnam. [Applause] In fact, the Negroes in the ghetto goaded and angered by discrimination and neglect have for the most part deliberately avoided harming persons. They have destroyed property. But even in the grip of rage the vast majority have vented their anger on inanimate things, not people. If destruction of property is deplorable, what is the word for the use of napalm on people. What would happen to Negroes if they not only set fires but killed people in the vicinity and explained blandly that some known combatants had to die as a matter of course. Negroes would be called savages if we were so callous. But for generals it is military tactics. ON SOME POSITIONS A COWARD ASKED THE QUESTION IS IT SAFE? EXPEDIENCY ASKS THE QUESTION, IS IT POLITIC? VANITY ASKS THE QUESTION, IS IT POPULAR? BUT CONSCIENCE ASKS THE QUESTION IS IT RIGHT? AND THERE COME A TIME WHEN ONE MUST TAKE A POSITION THAT IS NEITHER SAFE NOR POLITIC NOR POPULAR BUT HE MUST TAKE IT BECAUSE CONSCIENCE TELLS HIM IT IS RIGHT. Martin Luther King, Jr.> What a bunch of idiots 20.03.2007 - 12:14 Won't be so funny when the whole lot of you idiots are in the Wisconsin Prison System. Don't bend over in the shower!!! Ha Ha Ha Jules> Disgraceful 20.03.2007 - 12:50 Protesting the war is fine, I also understand that "peaceful" may not fulfill you enough. But when the men and women serving, Those wounded and at home now (including me), and those who safely made it home, DO NOT deserve such treatment. This shows that you don’t support the war, but it also shows you could care less about the men and women that have in the past and are defending you everyday. I am sure that some of you involved know someone who is or was involved with this war. This is as good as saying " Go and die, I don’t care about you" or some other expletative. The actions taken were noting short of cowardly. If there were any soldiers in that building at the time or around it you would have kept walking (if you were smart). Lastly to those who are UWM students. Understand that there are many of your peers who have come home and are trying to get on with life and attend college and what you are doing is not making it any easier on them and the large transition that is taking place. If you can support us then your as worthless to this country as the acts you performed. Anonymous> Pro-Life? 20.03.2007 - 12:54 If these people are really concerned about death, they should protest at a planned parenthood clinic. Hey, I wonder how they felt about Saddamn paying $15,000 to the family of anyone who would kill a Jew. Stu> Peace loving idiots 20.03.2007 - 13:07 Oh yeah you guys really made an intelligent anti-war/peace statment by getting violent and breaking some windows. I hope you enjoy your tickets, maybe your mommys or your professors can hire you a laywer? Make fun of the police being confused? I bet you are the first to call them when you need help right? Oh! but thats part of the government you all dispise right?? I think your a bunch of little scary bitches, you have no idea of what it means to stand up for something, Maybe you should ask the Marine who's served on his/her own freewill? Or a Cop who confronts an armed robber on your behalf? Keep listening to the morons UW-System keeps hiring, maybe someday you can grow up to be just as blind as them! PS-The world is not a nice friendly place. Try to kill a murderer with kindness. Doesn't work does it? GROW UP Carl Carl> HEY MS/MR MODERATOR 20.03.2007 - 13:11 . . . Can you consolidate all these photos? Thx.... Big Tony-Working for Peace> They need A Taste Of Boot Camp 20.03.2007 - 13:21 The people arrested should be thrown in an army boot camp so they can learn about rules , laws and the proper way to behave . There are right ways to protest and wrong ways and smashing windows and throwing human feces around is mob mentality and should be delt with accordingly. I wonder how many of those protesters actually voted? Karl> e-mail:: kook2002kook@yahoo.com Idiots... 20.03.2007 - 13:32 Once again, way to go on looking like idiots and turning the public against you. And they say that neo-nazi's are violent....So, I read that the youngest person arrested is 13. 13!! Recruiting kids again?? I was disgusted before, but this really bothers me. Madison Skinhead> This is a joke 20.03.2007 - 13:35 Your hypocrisy is unreal. You protest the very rights that real men and women are fighting for you to have. Anyone watching the news last night, anti-war or not, thinks you’re a bunch of idiots. If you cowards believe so strongly in the message that you’re trying to send, then why do you run away afterwards? Oh yeah, that’s right. You’re a bunch of chicken shit cowards. Don’t dress in disguise. Fuckin cowards. Fight or Die> e-mail:: downwithcowards@ilovewar.com LEGAL SITUATION 20.03.2007 - 13:35 Do we know what people are charged with? What are people charged with and where are people being held? legally blonde> Media ANONYMOUSLY Looking For MORE PICS/VIDEO 20.03.2007 - 13:37 To Whom Posted These Photos: We are a local network TV affiliate looking to air these photos. Also looking for video. We will protect your identity, or you can anonymously submit the material. Hoping to use for newscasts tonight! Contact: Scotch E-mail ASAP:  scotch999sx@yahoo.com scotch999sx@yahoo.com> e-mail:: scotch999sx@yahoo.com Lives available here....GET ONE you losers! 20.03.2007 - 13:45 Have any one of you 'anti-war' extremist FREAKS actually stopped and re-read your rants or perhaps bothered proofing your submittals before actually sending your comments?!?! Come on now people, use your 5th grade educations before posting comments!!! I am absolutly NOT supporting last night's idiot parade - my younger brother fought in Iraq for you thankless imbeciles - I am not even going to get off on THAT tangent with all of you "anti's" - Herein lies my gripe with you monkeys...YOU ARE PROTESTING THE WAR... VIOLENTLY!!!!!!!!!!.... Hhhhmmm...seems to me as if a certain little 'anti-war' protest group may have taken their hypocrite pills for breakfast yesterday morning! YOU TARDS! If you're going to protest a cause that you believe in - try extending your time and efforts in positive, memorable and noteworthy manners...perhaps giving your efforts a hint of legitimacy! Smearing your own monkey-poo all over the Army recruitment office windows, setting off smoke bombs, throwing paint and smashing windows are HARDLY viewable to the general public as legitimate means of gaining interest or support for your cause! Stay off the hypocrite juice and use the restroom before your next protest you morons! Mo> Don’t dress in disguise 20.03.2007 - 13:52 Uh, I can think of lots of people who dress in disguise. How 'bout GI Joesephine/Joe, the Po Po.... Big Tony-Working for Peace> Cowards 20.03.2007 - 14:02 Some statement, you're pissed, oooooooooo, watch out.. Breaking windows and smearing excrement on a building while hiding behind your masks is making quite a statement - like you're a bunch of cowards lacking the testicular fortitude or intellect to voice your opinion in a civilized manor. Yes, you really showed the man, hey Einstein that is a FEDERAL Building funded by OUR tax dollars to recruit the folks that keep our country safe, and give idiots like yourselves the freedom to voice, not vandalize, your opinion. I hope like hell when they catch you, you are prosecuted to the fullest. Oh I know you'll try to hide behind the 1st amendment, but I'm fairly certain there isn't any verbiage pertaining to VALDALIZM to protect you idiots! Good luck in prison - ASSHOLE! Dave> Hey Mo! Hey Mo! 20.03.2007 - 14:04 I think they were protesting The War in Iraq, not violence in general, thus no inconsistency, and no hypocrisy. Big Tony-Working for Peace> our country 20.03.2007 - 14:05 I agree with the people who say that this was uncalled for, but let me ask this question have any of the other peace rallies really made the news at all in our city. None that I can remember, granted destroying property is the easiest way to get noticed since the city will always twist it and put it on the news. You vandalized one fucking army recruiting center... WOW! Kudos. A 15 yr kid old with a backpack full of spray paint could have done that and made it look pretty, so come on folks. Where are the people who are covering our billboards with new messages, everyone drives and looks at billboards. How many people do you think drive down oakland compared to I-43? I don't like the fact that my friends are dying in a country that is far far away, but I am not about to destroy property over it. At least not military property. The fact is that the men and women who join the army to fight are not responsible for the war. They are the men and women who are strong enough to go over there and fight. Whether they should go, well that is a moral question for everyone to decide on their own. For those of you who think violence in our own country will stop our government from waging ridiculous wars on nations that are far worse off than us. You are fucking dead wrong. We the people don't have the power anymore because we are all brain washed by the american capitalist machine. I also don't believe they are fighting for freedom. That is retarded. All the liberties we lost cause of 9/11 and the resulting war were taken by our government. Destroy government officials property. they are the ones who change the policies and none of them are affected by what you did. You think our senator cares that you smashed some windows and broke some shit hell no. He still woke up and ate his breakfast and got in his expensive ass car and drove to work. People you need to pull the curtain back and look at the guy behind it. In my opinion we are so fucked already that none of this will solve it. What you need is to have everyone who wants to participate go somewhere and have a sit in. Don't leave until the police drag you away. Why are there no people sitting at our capital or the capitals around our country? This is war is not vietnam none of us are being drafted they are just brain washing everyone into it. My friends who joined are now drones. It kills me on the inside. I want to know why you people who join the army do it. What are you protecting?? There was one attack, and as the years go on we will see how much our government really had to do with it. Do you think that they didn't know about it previously? If so do you think they really thought that it was going to happen? the answer is yes. So then why would they let it happen? hmmmmm... Seems like some hidden agenda to me. I am not going to continue with conspiracy theories but just think about it. What do we have to gain by taking out the countries that control our worlds most precious resource? I could go on and on I think I might write a book soon, but I fear not enough people would read it. Why can't we organize and do something important? You need to pull the blindfold off America before you can be destructive. Just think what that would have been like if it was 5000 people on our capital not destroying things, but just quietly sitting in front of the doors. All I am saying is if you want people to take you seriously don't be immature about it. Like I said remove the blindfold and then see what our nation does. If people were educated on the events at hand they would see the evilness in our leaders. The people that protested the vietnam war are in charge of a lot of things now. So remove the blindfold and see what they do. I want this war to end but now that we are so far in we can't just pull our troops home right away. It's just not possible, and for every thinking person out this is reality. What we need are mediated solutions. I am not the answer man just a man who hates what this country stands for. From the get go we were fucked. Our nation was born from imperialism, it is just like a child who sees his father hit his mother. They will grow up and do the same thing cause it wasn't frowned upon by the people he looked up to. We wanted our freedom but then we did the same thing to all the natives of this country and surrounding countries. For all of you who think what we are doing in Iraq is right FUCK YOU. For all you people who can't figure out what to do about it read a fucking history book. The police and the government aren't scared of 21 kids breaking some shit, but 20,000 people marching on Washington that is a different story. You can't be violent at first but they have to know that is something that the people of this country are willing to do if they continue to not listen to us. All the leaders of movements from our past understood this why can't you. Next time you want to break something why don't you offer an ultimatum first. Let it be known that one day our country will fall if we continue on this path. Everyone acts so self righteous in this country, but just because we aid some dying countries a little bit does not mean that we can be forgiven for what is happening here. With the double installment of 96 billion dollars for this war we could have ended hunger in the third world as we know it. One more thing... Do you think all these countries would hate us so much if we really helped them? Don't believe what the news tells you or what our leaders tell you. All the right people are in on it so how can we fight that? Tear off that blindfold and ask yourself: "Do I want my countries foreign policies to reflect how I think and what I believe?" I hope the answer is YES. Right now we are fighting a war for people who control all the money and wealth in this country. I say FUCK them. Maybe they will listen when you put a brick through every single persons nice ass SUV with a bush sticker on the back, but they won't if you break some shit miles from where they live anyway. I am not condoning breaking anyones things but if you are going to do it, at least think about who changes the policies that you want changed. Cause right now we are pretty much alone over there. The few countries that support us are only on the bandwagon cause we are a super power right now. Soon that will not be true. What will we do then??? supporter of whats right> Cowards. 20.03.2007 - 14:29 So, you attacked an Army Recruiting station when no one was there? In the dark. And you threw poop. And you broke windows. And you think that proves that you're angry about the war? Sounds like a bunch of spoiled little middle class kids with a hardon for attention who wanted to whine and be outrageous for the sake of the media. You hate "the man", you hate "mainstream media", but you love yourselves so much that you think that getting arrested and being talked about in the journal sentinel gives you POWER? You're so eager to talk about "power of the people" against "power of the state" but you fail to recognize that there ARE a lot of people in the world that don't agree with you. I totally agree with the person who commented on fundamentalism. This brand of BS fundamentalism and idiocy only proves you "anarchists" to be about as intelligent and logical as any run of the mill fundamentalist religious radical wacko. Way to go! You sure showed us. I have been arrested doing something I believe in. But NEVER have I believed that property damage was going to solve any of the problems I set out to conquer. I highly doubt that anyone who burned their draft card would liken their experience to throwing poop at a recruiting center. Nice try, but they're totally separate incidents. Jailtime would be what you idiots deserve. You won't be political prisoners. You're just going to be another Milwaukee moron who resorted to violence going to jail. Ms. X> . 20.03.2007 - 14:36 . . . . Big Tony-Working for Peace> Big Tony, Big Tony.... 20.03.2007 - 14:46 That's exactly what I'm referring to - read my posting over you silly monkey! Mo> . 20.03.2007 - 14:48 . . . ... .> Go Back 20.03.2007 - 15:00 Why don't you guys go back to West Bend and Slinger and break some shit in your own cities, quit damaging the credibility of anti-war movement in Milwaukee with your juvenile tactics. Colin> Thank you. 20.03.2007 - 15:01 To: nestor, ARA kid, beenthere, bored, marco, anon, Lucy Parsons, MLK, Jr., and Big Tony - Working for Peace THANK YOU! Solidarity, Big Mama Big Mama> Bringing it to there level 20.03.2007 - 15:05 Being a former Army Ranger that was wounded overseas this pisses me off!!!I agree that these little fuckers need some of there own medicine. They had no idea the beast they would unleash. The hate of an entire country is now upon them. How dare any of them disrepect the men and women of the armed forces by vandalizeing our turf. I am sure some of these little turds go to UWM and can be tracked down that way. I wonder who they are going to call when there shit gets messed with? Bet you they are bitching that the JS released all their names. God it sucks when the freedoms you are hideing behind come back to fuck you!!! SSG "T"> Organized? Please... 20.03.2007 - 15:21 No one's saying you have to join the army, or even agree with the practices of the US Military. BUT, it's quite another situation to create a biohazard zone with your own crap. I get the statement. Believe me, I get it - yes, the war is crap. But, an army recruiting station on Oakland? You think that because a few people in Milwaukee took notice, you made some sort of long-lasting statement that will make a difference anywhere outside of Riverwest? The sad fact is that a vast percentage of actual army recruits are kids who want to be able to go to college and eventually get a job so they can make more money than their parents made. Yeah, there's always going to be the moron out there that joins up because they want to carry a gun. I'm sure there's plenty of ELF and ALF members who "join up" because they want to torch an SUV or "set the animals free" (without thinking of the consequences, of course). But, then again, that's what you kids do best - NOT think about consequences. In all fairness, we should not be in this war. Just like we should not have been in Vietnam. But to disrespect someone because of their life's choices and then cuss people out for disagreeing with you just doesn't make any sense at all. I guess it's not fair to expect anything more from a bunch of spoiled kids (apparently some of whom were willing to put their futures on the line but aren't even old enough to vote yet!). I'm so sorry that the Peace Demonstration almost made you "fall asleep". How tragic, considering there was a brilliant speach given by a 4th grade boy, decorated veterans who are proud to have served in World War II and proud to have taken part in liberation of thousands of Jews, and the attendance of numerous other amazing people who actually participated in and voiced opposition in an TRULY WELL ORGANIZED fashion. If you think changing policies and changing the world will happen by vandalism and being obnoxious, I'm sorry for you. You obviously haven't taken any cues from history. Things change when people are well organized. And I've never heard of well-organized humans throwing their own feces. Rosa Parks. Dr. King. Nelson Mandella. Women's Suffragettes. Quakers. Ghandi. They were all arrested for things they believed in. They all made their history altering points without throwing their own shit. Get your heads out of your asses. Anarchy has never, ever, in the entire history of life, made a lasting difference in any society. Educated.> We Believe Another World is PossibleYou Don't 20.03.2007 - 15:21 To: Fight or Die: Army Recruiters are War Criminals. The Voice of Milwaukee: #1. Your pen name is arrogant. #2. The phrase is "one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter." Haven't you seen "V" for Vendetta? #3. You tell the Palestinians, the Iraqi people, the Haitians, the Rewandans, the Mexican people and so on, that property damage is violence. Do you really think they are concerned about a few windows being broken at a U.S. Recuiting Office? Do you really think they are concerned about your fragile ego that you associate with an anti-war movement that you believe can be discredited because you don't like what some of the people in Milwaukee are doing? It's not about you dude. It's about the people who live in violence everyday because of the crimes that the U.S. government is committing in our names. And read the MLK, Jr. posting. He understood violence and the difference between property and people. Mo: Military Recuiters are War Criminals. Voluntary soldiers are hired killers for the state. You brother ain't doing anything for the American people but committing suicide. Ha: We are taking action to stop the war - pity you don't know about it. steve: don't blame us for the fascist state - it has nothing to do with these types of actions - it has to do with the repressive forces of the state. They will always come down against the people. armyvet: Military Recruiters are War Criminals. anonymous: You need to listen to the real news, not NPR. 21 got unjustly rounded up. carl: Marines? Cops? Both of them are armed killers for the state. No. You ask Sean Bell's family what violence is. You ask a young Iraqi girl what violence is when she is raped by a marine. How dare you? Karl: the proper way to behave is to relentlessly resist and struggle against fascism. Madison Skinhead: Only in Amerikka would one care about "turning the public against you." Scotch: Photos, from us? We hope you are willing to meet clandestinely and pay big bucks. Funny, we make the news and then photo it too? I like that. Big Mama> Solidarity?? LOL 20.03.2007 - 15:22 I can't wait to see how much solidarity there is when everyone starts ratting each other out~LOL! Hyena> peace vs militant action 20.03.2007 - 15:35 not sorry to say that today at school all i heard was people talking about the recruiting center, and not about peaceful protests. some kids thought it was pretty cool and were telling other people who were all 'no shit? awesome.' right on hot karl> Thanks To: 20.03.2007 - 15:36 The ARMY, NAVY, AIR FORCE & MARINES for giving your lives on the alter of freedom. You know over evryone else that freedom isn't free! Nice job Wisconsin - Be proud of your leftist anti-war vandels! Boy - You all know how to set a great example for the world to see in regards to America. You just lowered the bar for your, um, great anti-war cause. This sure put you on the map and some of the most logical, inspirational, intelligent Leftys in the country.... NOT!!!!!!!! What a joke. The IDIOT list: Kelsey M. Kazik, 20, Milwaukee; Sara Keiza, 17, Milwaukee; Jillian Duckwitz, 21, Milwaukee; Richard A. Ketcham, 22, Milwaukee; Amy M. Barger, 19, West Bend; Jessica L. Brooks, 18, West Bend; Craig R. Barringer, 20, Waukesha; Jonathon W. Wilson, 17, Wauwatosa; David W. Clerkin, 21, Madison; Derek W. Johnson, 17, West Bend ; Nathan J. Bartelt, 20, West Bend; Thomas P. Buckholt, 17, Milwaukee; Jeffrey G. Lavato, 18, West Bend; Andrew L. Ortlieb, 24, Milwaukee; and Kathryn E. Jacobs, 20, Milwaukee Dan> Lame... 20.03.2007 - 15:46 its because of the army that u have the right to protest you faggots! do something more productive with ur time... proud conservative> It's cool to know buzz words like "fascist... 20.03.2007 - 15:49 Ok. Let me get this straight... army recruiters and people in the military are war criminals. Right? So, that would make poo-flingers someone with a biohazardous weapon. Which would make you... some sort of bio-terrorist. I GET IT!!! So, anyone who disagrees with you is a fascist, so anyone who agrees with you should, logically, be a fucking dumbass. Right? Just because you fight for the opposition doesn't mean you're doing the right thing. Not all marines rape Iraqi girls. Not all anarchist kids are full of shit. True on both accounts. Not all vets are baby killers. Not all hippie kids steal stuff and sell it for drug money. Facts again! Not all frat boys are date rapists. Not all Mormons have multiple wives. Possibly true... Do you want me to keep going? It's easy. And totally ridiculous. Something else that is totally ridiculous? That you all seem to think that these kids were arrested UNJUSTLY. Let me ask you this: Who will be paying for these children's attorneys? Their parents? Where will the checks be coming from to pay for the legal defense? Shorewood? Fox Point? Whitefish Bay? Brookfield? Oh, I know! Chicago! Madison. Some gated community in Menomonee Falls? Did your parents not love you enough? Are you rebelling because you're angry about the war, or because you wanted attention and no one ever voted you prom queen? Get over yourselves. Do something that matters. Not like this will affect you at all. You'll probably all take a plea bargain. Bitch and whine, throw a tantrum, and when it comes down to the wire, you and your parent's attorney will take the plea. Proving, once again, that you didn't do something you believed in - you did something because you wanted to. And with anarchist kids, it's all about instant gratification. You're worthless. You don't matter. You have nothing to say when you're saying it with your asshole. SCANNER> Wrong target... 20.03.2007 - 15:52 You vent your frustration at the Army...as if they make policy. Take your protest to the lawmakers who put the troops on the ground. Those senators and representatives who will not right now vote for an immediate pull out are the ones you should be pissed at. Soldiers are here to serve American citizens, they are bound by law and honor to follow the orders of the government. You idiots attack the soldiers when you should be going after thier leaders, but that would be too dangerous wouldn't it... you might actually get arrested trashing a politician's office. whatever you do, don't let the facts get in the way of your idealism... Life is better in Iraq now than it has been in the past 25 years. but the ragheads can't seem to figure out that American soldiers only want them to quit killing each other Which they do because of one paragraph about the prophet's intentions. Don't worry, I'm sure the peace-loving Muslims of the world will be able to solve their difference without beheading anyone live on Al Jezzera. Better yet, spend your energy solving problems of poverty and racism in Milwaukee's inner city. Think about it> cowards 20.03.2007 - 15:52 i understand the need to make a statement - but when you make one, stand by it, instead of running away in to the night. mlp> My Son is Serving His Country 20.03.2007 - 15:52 My son is entering his third month of duty with the IOWA NATIONAL GUARD, serving his country and protecting the rights of the idiots who made fools of themselves last night...as well as the morons who have entered comments in this blog today. Steve B.> to fucking stupid "old fart" 20.03.2007 - 15:54 Hey "old fart" - Let's see - you're an aging hippie and former protester and you raised your little idiot to do the same. The reason your idiot can protest is due to those who protect that freedom - THE MILITARY. So put out the bong and go thank a soldier then eat shit and die. captain> idiots 20.03.2007 - 15:56 all you anti war people already have been called idiots enough that I won't bother doing it again and enough people have pointed out the foolishness of protesting war with violence so no need to talk about that. Since I assume you don't want to go to jail for stupidity and therefore your group has no public membership, I will venture a guess as to the demographics of it. I'm guessing a few older people who were there in the Vietnam protests, trying as hard as they could between bong hits and acid trips to think of clever chants about LBJ and baby killing. It was people like you who restricted what we could do in the war, making it unwinable. Thanks for that... The majority of your group is probably young kids, I'd say 15-21. Get those high school kids when they are going through their 'Fuck the system' phase that smart people eventually grow out of. Keep 'em in for a few years, feed 'em some rhetoric, vandalize a window. Let them think it matters what they are doing. Let them think they are accomplishing something. Because really they are accomplishing something. But its now what they think. They are giving the older members their 'raison de etre'. Its not about the war, it can't be. If it was, you'd still support the troops. Only a true idiot will come out against the troops. As I'm sure you people have. My roomate spent 11 months in Kuwait and I'v been standing next to him when someone called him a baby killer. The people who say stuff like that are the same scum that were spitting on serviceman returning from SE Asia 30 years ago. It wasn't about the war then either. Its about you stupid motherfucking middle class hippies that can't get a job because your brain is fried and your way of retaliation is saying 'fuck the government'. fucking idiots scotch> By the way Big Mama 20.03.2007 - 15:58 1. You're a tool.... 2. "You tell the Palestinians, the Iraqi people, the Haitians, the Rewandans, the Mexican people and so on, that property damage is violence. Do you really think they are concerned about a few windows being broken at a U.S. Recuiting Office?" HAHAHAHA!!! This statement in itself makes you a complete idiot. I'm pretty sure their not concerned with you're idiotic stunt. Hey - Here's an idea - Go live in one of these fine countries and tell them about it. You won't have to cry about it here anymore. And I hope either a U.S. prison or a terrorist has there way with your punk ass. 3. Stupid Dumbasses like YOU are war criminals!!!! Dan> HEY F#CKSTICKS! 20.03.2007 - 16:01 It is the soldier, not the reporter Who has given us freedom of the press. It is the soldier, not the poet Who has given us freedom of speech. It is the soldier, not the campus organizer Who has given us the freedom to demonstrate. It is the soldier, not the lawyer Who has given us the right to a fair trial. It is the soldier Who salutes the flag, Who serves under the flag, Whose coffin is draped in the flag, Who allows the protester to burn the flag. Thanks to the Milwaukee Urinal for posting your names. In todays world it will be so easy to find you! Me and my friends are looking foward to rubbing your noses in the SH$T like the dogs you are! ARMY VET> If Ghandi had his way.... 20.03.2007 - 16:03 Hey liberals, go out get an education (and I don't mean a sociology degree from UWM). The peace movement was extremely strong in the US circa 1938-1941. We had Charles Lindbergh hanging out with Goering in Germany and Wisc Governor Philip LaFollette calling Roosevelt (who never served himself) a warmonger. There was Ghandi telling the British not to fight Germany and when word got out about the Nazi's were doing, he said that the Jews should commit mass sucide instead of fighting in the Warsaw ghetto and elsewhere. If the peace movement had its way, there wouldn't be a Jew alive anywhere outside of North America. So my point is, that the peace movement has always consisted of nieve idiots. Included the bitch above who called those who are serving "war criminals". Stu> On protest 20.03.2007 - 16:03 To "Supporter of what's right": You said: "The police and the government aren't scared of 21 kids breaking some shit, but 20,000 people marching on Washington that is a different story." Except 20,000 DID march on Washington just this Saturday, did you hear anything about it? Did it change anything? What about the 100,000 that marched at the Capital on January 27th? Still Bush promises an escalation and Congress can't even agree to slap him on the wrist. And to everyone who complains about anti-war protesters not being "peaceful," do you have any concept of the difference between violence against PEOPLE and violence against PROPERTY? Peace Out. EthrDemon> LET'S GET SOME FACTS STRAIGHT HERE 20.03.2007 - 16:05 Yup, this is me! Ok- I showed up on my way to Dominoes to get one of their YUMMY pizzas! There really WASN'T any poop (fecal matter). Broken windows & paint yes. Contrary to the media and "eyewitness" reports, NOBODY had crowbars and baseball bats. The windows were broken by torch sticks and flagpoles. Let's have a big cheer for the good old USA! Big Tony-Working for Peace> how does this really help your cause? 20.03.2007 - 16:06 You vandalize an un-occupied building paid for by tax-payers. Brave. You make statements about the war, to those who make those decisions? Not. Try your elected representatives next time. Few statements made in defence of this act are comprehensive, intelligent or complete. Brilliant reflection of your collective characters. Oh and the grammar is impressive also. Many statements are made that have the colour of socialism or Marxism. Let’s see how history shows that works out. Yes, the U.S.S.R. worked great, Cuba and other Socialist brothers are flourishing!! Well, maybe not. Even China is giving it up. Yep, great idea. As long as someone is holding a weapon to your head. With this list of some of those involved stating very young ages, you are all quite worldly to know so much. Clearly you have a great understanding and experience of humanity that many don’t. Have any of your balls even dropped yet? Clearly not. If so, you wouldn’t hide under the cover of darkness, dressed in dark colours. You might actually confront those who make these decisions. You might actually try a confrontation face to face with actual soldiers who might defend everyone’s tax dollars. Seems like many involved don’t have the brain power to comprehend the true foolishness of this act. Those with heart, courage and integrity can change the world, those that can’t complain, cry and lash out in cowardice. I absolutely defend your First Amendment rights, and have sworn an oath to do so. Makes me sick to think just a bunch of punks feel this is somehow acceptable to anyone. Lastly, you wish to use “spell check”. Can any of your comprehend your own ignorance? marine mike> Children of Cowards, Anti-Americans &Traitors 20.03.2007 - 16:17 The cowardly slime who participated in this act of treason should be (male and female) castrated at noon on the steps of the County Courthouse for their treasonous, traitorous, anti-american display of hatred for our brave young U.S. Soldiers who give their live every day so that these pampered scum can commit hate crimes such as this and who are giving their live daily to protect these morons from the Islamo-fascists these imbeciles look up to. Their parents should likewise be place in stock and pillary and have the same type of feces hurled on their bodies until they beg for forgiveness for having raised such worthless children. Dick> Violence okay? 20.03.2007 - 16:24 So several supports of the "peace" movement have said on here that violence against property is okay. That it is required for change. Great, if a couple of abortion clinics go up in flames tonight, would you support that? Stu> Sweet. 20.03.2007 - 16:26 Anon has a great point. This is one of the coolest things I've seen all year, and I am so pissed that I didn't go. I know some people who went, and I was going to go, but I couldn't. Ian> e-mail:: goskate_ian@hotmail.com takin' it personally 20.03.2007 - 16:31 After just hearing about this and then reading all of the subsequent commments, I'd like to add a couple things... 1) A RECRUITING center was VANDALIZED. Ahem, this was no american legion post and this wasn't a dilapidated vet hospital. What does this mean symbolically? This was not an attack on U.S. troops and shouldn't be taken personally by them. This recruiting center was right down the block from both a high school and a university. You think these anarchists are recruiting young kids? How about recruiting kids for WAR after they've just been deemed competent enough to decide whether or not to smoke cigarettes? The attack was nothing more than symbolic protest against an institution that kills kids here and overseas. Perhaps the government's lack of funding for our Vet hospitals, mentally ill, and programs for children should be seen as violence? I do agree that the blindfold has to come off because our political system and the corporations that support it don't give a fuck about us...but HOW do we take this blindfold off without resorting to symbolic acts like property damage? Clearly the media isn't doing the job. 2) The troops in Iraq have nothing to do with 'winning' our rights and freedoms. Freedoms must be fought for and maintained at home and if they aren't fought for, they dissapear. Anyone who can remember the straightjacket our discourse has been put in since 9/11 must realize this. Without healthy and VARIED debate, well, we are beginning to see what happens. Slavery is Freedom! War is Peace! anyone? Our language has been so corrupted that we can't even talk about what we're talking about! 3) Property destruction is not violence and love does not imply pacifism. ..quite the opposite, really. Might (or property, or title, or flag) doesn't make right. In closing, as a person who cares deeply about all forms of life, it is sad to see my fellow countrymen die on foreign soil. It is also sad to know children continue to be killed by religious extremists from HERE and 'over there'. Our entire economic and political system perpetuates and is maintained by violence and until we can start asking for forgiveness for crimes of the past (indigenous genocide, legacy of slavery and racism, ecocide, etc.), we will never be capable of acknowledging the crimes of the present (police brutality, depleted uranium, anyone?). If this pisses you off, statistically you're probably a christian - so forgive me! cause I've already forgiven you. "you're either with us, or you're with the terrorists" ~bush fuck that, I'm with the idiots! **SOLIDARITY WITH THOSE WHO CONTINUE TO OPPOSE THE DESTRUCTION OF LIFE!** voice of the voiceless> Queers and Retards 20.03.2007 - 16:38 What kind of cowards wear ski masks on their face? Oh wait, a bunch of sally's. Hmmm, and who actually shits in either their hand or some sort of container, carries it around with them, and procedes to smear it around a building ... oh wait, retards. Anyone can smash a window with a brick, be a hero, next time use your head you fags. full of laughter> boring boring boring 20.03.2007 - 16:42 Not surprised at any of the comments here; the usual shit from the usual suspects- liberals, right-wingers, neo-nazi trolls and probably a bunch of cops. This debate has been going on for who knows how long, and nobody is going to change any body's mind, so I'm not going to bother arguing, though it seems everyone involved is making far too many asinine assumptions- as usual. Oh well. All I'm going to say is that people should keep in mind that the media and especially the pigs are reading this site real hard right now, and people shouldn't be making any dumb posts that implicate anybody directly or indirectly- such things will be deleted ASAP, but they shouldn't be said at all. Don't do the fucking pigs job for them. All down comrades- stay safe, don't ever stop fighting. Everybody else- keep on putting me to sleep. A concerned citizen> direct action gets the goods 20.03.2007 - 16:42 I'm having a hard time telling whether people online today are cops, nazis or just random idiots who watch todays tmj4. Thanks for the indymedia shout out, tmj4. I don't think this many people have ever looked at milwaukees indymedia before. a herd of kittens> The only question I have... 20.03.2007 - 16:46 ... is why didn't they hop into the place and wreck all that they could? I suppose if it was a spur of the moment destruction I could understand, but if it was the plan from the beginning they should have put some more thought into it. Other than that I can say good job gents! Viva la revolucion! Nikolai Delarge> e-mail:: neeko787@yahoo.com Violence is the answer 20.03.2007 - 16:50 To all those who believe a peaceful protest changes nothing and violence is the only path to change...why are you against a war? Your dichotomy is truly priceless. We need more intellectuals of your caliber. Thanks for the chuckle. Eric> RE: Queers and Retards 20.03.2007 - 16:53 Yo "full of laughter"- You calling me a "sally?" I served in this great country's Army for 3 years. We wore masks all the time to conceal our identities from our enemies in this day and age of ubiquitous media! Don't you fucking dis me! What about me cousin the cop? They wear masks all the time- who wants some dope dealer burning your house down because he knows who you are? Fucking Asshole. Mad props to my brothers in arms. Come home soon safe & sound! Hope this shit ends..... USArmy Veteran> People are Stupid 20.03.2007 - 16:54 Most of the people who are against the war are very un-educated. With that being said most people who are very much for the war are very un-educated. Their are obviously pros and cons to all of this. Breaking windows and spreading fecies inside the recruiting place i'm sure will cause an up-rising in America and stop the war...haha. Stopping the war while being in the stage it is in now would hurt America more than help. The saddest part about this pro-test is that people actually ran. They don't have balls to take credit for what they did. They ran and hid just like they want the army to do in Iraq...Run and hide away from this mess. I support the troops in Iraq, but I am very level headed. I am not far right nor am I far left. If I was then my oppinion on this would be very fogged...similar to how far left and far right people are no where near educated about anything that happens in the government. I actually walked by there with a group of friends last night after all this happened and I can say for those people they are very lucky that we did not walk by as this was going on. Curt> ignore the haters 20.03.2007 - 17:20 good work! i'm sorry that so many of y'all got snatched; i hope you have some good legal support. but the good thing is that these confrontational actions are on the rise. for the time being, we'll be able to make bail, ignore the haters, and provide active solidarity with struggles against capital and domination worldwide. the reason "they" fear us is that we have nothing to lose, and only their destruction to gain. juicebox> Conservatives should shut up too. 20.03.2007 - 17:28 Ok, actually people who are against the war are NOT uneducated. That's ludicrous. As someone mentioned earlier - not everyone who is anti war thinks these kids did anything but make situations worse. I am whole-heartedly anti war. BUT, I am whole-heartedly pro veterans rights and in support of the troops - because the troops are human beings who deserve respect like any other human being. If anti-war people are so uneducated, why is it all the conservatives using disgusting language, as though they have a teeny-tiny vocabulary to work with. RESPECT each other. Maybe we wouldn't be killing eachother if we respected each other more. In this case, both of you people's extremes are WRONG. Both sides think that harsh language and throwing sticks will somehow change the other side's mind, when all it does is make the other side hate you more. And anyone in between think that both ends are radical extremists - thus fascism on both sides of the fence! Oh, and is it really necesary to call people ragheads while attempting to get your point across? Please. Grow up. Everyone. Ms. X> Message to Stu 20.03.2007 - 17:34 If you read all the comments - most of these kids are not claiming to be part of the "PEACE" movement. If I read some of those previous comments correctly, someone actually said the Peace rally practically put them to sleep... These kids do not claim to be peaceful. They just claim to be right. Which is no different from any of the pro-war weirdos commenting claiming they're in the right. But just to clarify - these kids were NOT part of the peace rally. The peace rally was actually PEACEFUL. Ms. X> You're not that important... 20.03.2007 - 17:43 Why do you folks always think that cops are monitoring indymedia? This is not the best place for information. Complete bias "news". It's as bad, or worse, than watching any major "news" channel, or listening to a clearchannel owned radio station. I agree with former commentors. Why do we need to call eachother faggots and sallys and queers and ragheads and fascists and whatnot? Are you not aware that you make yourself sound like a dipshit when you resort to calling people names? Yes. I am calling you a dipshit. Did I get my point across? Julianne> UMMM 20.03.2007 - 17:55 Nobody smeared feces on any walls. Truth> Comment 20.03.2007 - 18:03 I'd like to remind everyone that opposition to the war in Iraq is not a left vs right conflict. If you disagree, try telling that to Pat Buchanan or Ron Paul, along with plenty of other traditional conservatives and Libertarian whom oppose the war. Ben> Nazi';s and Dems both oppose the war 20.03.2007 - 18:18 Ben, you are sooo right. Look at who went to Crawford Texas this past fall to oppose the war: Liberal Democrats like Cindy Sheehan NeoNazi group Stormfront KKK activist David Duke. I wish I had the link handy to what KKK veteran David Duke said. It was the EXACT same thing the liberal Dems were saying. Stu> Stop the war in Milwaukee first 20.03.2007 - 18:18 Reading some of the other comments on this issue made me laugh about the ignorance and cowardice of the "war protestors." Dressing in black and attacking an empty building at night..ewwwww... that's motivated action that will get results. How about this: More Wisconsinites have been killed in Milwaukee in the last four years than in Iraq. Let's put some of that "bravery" you are showing to work stopping the war in Milwaukee. Here's the plan. All you brave anti-war protestors put on your little black suits and light your torches and pick out one intersection... just one intersection and start winning the war in Milwaukee. You attack that intersection and make a statement by throwing rocks and bottles at any drug dealer and gangbanger you see there. Just give'm the bum's rush. Knock that inner city terrorist to the ground and beat his ass. Tell him this is your country, your town, your intersection and you will not allow violence and drug dealing to happen here. You are ready to stop it. This will do at least two things... it will rid that intersection of drug dealers for the night and it will show you how much force it takes to subdue a violently resisting drug dealer. Remember to take his gun and turn it in to the, what did you call them, "hired killers" of the Milwaukee PD... that will get one more of those evil guns off the streets. You do this every night... you take back a street corner... you stand up and denounce violence and lawlessness and you take action... THE TIME IS NOW. Aren't you tired of seen innocent people slaughtered while the racist government does nothing to help them? LET'S GET OUT THERE AND SHOW THEM WE ARE SERIOUS! THIS HAS TO END NOW! Oh yeah... all you brave souls must understand that by doing this, you will actually be fighting someone; someone who is going to be fighting back. Some of you might die, but if it takes violence to stop the violence then so be it. Right? If you want to change the world... start by cleaning up your room. Start by saving the places closest to you. If you want to show the world how brave you are, pick the worst neighborhood in Milwaukee and direct your efforts to stopping the violence there. Go break the windows of some crack houses and tell the folks occupying that "prime real estate" to get the hell out... instead of Fuck the Army... how about Fuck the Crackheads? What's the matter, no guts? If you want to fight for something .... well... fight. Take back YOUR streets. Are you telling me that everything in Milwaukee is perfect, nothing but flowers and unicorns in the Central City? Instead of attacking an empty office, go knock heads on some gangbangers. Run them out of town. What's the matter, too much work? Too much risk? Why don't you just sit on campus and spend mommy and daddy's money on a new Ipod. You don't have the guts to do anything worthwhile. think about it> Thank You 20.03.2007 - 18:27 Bravo! A big round of applause and many hugs go out to our comrades in Milwaukee who did the right thing and brought the war home against that recruiting center. In coming months there will be more actions against recruiting centers as more and more people figure out that the only way to sabotage the American war machine is to monkeywrench it at its weakest point: recruiting. We see that the usual batch of dim-witted, patriotic assholes are smearing you for this rather modest action. Take this as a sign that you did the right thing. Don't worry about threats coming from these cowards. In all of our decades of organizing protests, these right-wing nuts have never been a problem for us. Have fun dealing with the local liberals who will get their ineffective panties tied up into knots. They haven't risked one goddamn thing to stop this war. They think that waving signs, feeling smug about their opposition to Bush, and Waiting for Obama will stop this war. Hey comrades, the ball is in your court now. Counter-recruiting is the way to go right now. Infoshop.org> Homepage:: http://www.infoshop.org/ solidarity 20.03.2007 - 18:34 solidarity from cleveland. don't listen to fat, miller-pounding rightwing shits, bring the fucking war home. finne> Enough Already! 20.03.2007 - 19:03 ENOUGH! The people who destroyed property at the recruiting center were not ANTI WAR PROTESTORS. They were destructive little brats. ANTI WAR PROTESTORS massed on Saturday by the lakefront and marched downtown. Apparently the only one NOT retarded> What?? 20.03.2007 - 19:06 Dear Finne - if you bring the war home, doesn't that defeat the purpose of protesting war on foreign soil? Angela> i wish i was there 20.03.2007 - 19:09 when i saw them walking past my job i almost left and joined them, but my uniform is all white... but this unjustified war has gone on long enough, and people like this are the ones that are making people wake up. its only too bad that most of the people who see this are just gonna label these kids as punks like i see they already are doing on here. FIND OUT FOR YOURSELF the US helped saddam get into power the US supported saddam during the Iraq-Iran war (this was the same time that saddam was using chemical weapons on the iranians and the kurds) FIND OUT ABOUT OUR COUNTRIES INVOLVEMENT IN THE MIDDLE EAST DURING THE LAST 50 YEARS then see if you want those same people leading our country revolution rising> sickening,rediculous, and appauling 20.03.2007 - 19:46 Ok first of all, I'm related to one of the kids who were caught doing this, and I know another one... I'm anti Iraqi War, and I'm democratic. Yet this senseless act of violence disgusts me! This does nothing to get the troops back home. Some of these kids say they didn't know what was happening. I'm sorry.. You put black ski masks and bandanas on to cover your face. You marched with Anarchy banners, You marched side to side with people carrying torches, smoke bombs and other weapons. AT WHAT FUCKING POINT DO YOU LOOK AROUND AT ALL THIS AND SAY "THIS CAN ONLY END GOOD?!?" I hope they charge every single one of these people with Treason, and commiting a terrorist act. Guy> dumb dumb dumb dumb 20.03.2007 - 19:48 raised under the power lines were we? This was a juvenile and ass backwards attempt to affect change. Go ahead, alienate everyone that would potentially agree with you by fucking up a neighborhood. You are all delusional and or stupid as fuck if you think this was an action to be applauded. -Sanger chris sanger> Retarded as fuxxx 20.03.2007 - 19:50 Hey "Apparently the only one not retarded," lots of the people who attended this event have been involved in all sorts of anti-war organizing and activities for years. You may disagree with the tactics some individuals used, but that doesn't mean they're not against the war. None of them are claiming that the people who just march for point a to point b with a sign and listen to some speakers say the same crap aren't real protestors, so why not show the same courtesy? The disagreement is on tactics, not whether or not they're actually against the war. dig ol bicks> The Golden Rule 20.03.2007 - 19:56