Militant Queers and Trannies against the RNC
anon, 14.11.2007 09:49
November 9th through the 11th, Milwaukee hosted the Midwest Anti-RNC
Planning consulta. During the Sunday break-out strategizing session, a
group met to discuss the possibilities of militant Trans and Queer
action against Republican National Convention in 2008.
Those involved in the discussion, expressed their desire for a Trans
and Queer bloc to play an integral and aggressive role in the strategy
to shut down the RNC. It was proposed that such a bloc could hold one
of the key intersections surrounding the convention center or could
crash the parties of especially grievous religious fundamentalists.
The strategy of creating 15-20 blockades in downtown St. Paul on the
first day of the convention is one that allows almost infinite
possibilities. Behind the barricades, we will have the opportunity to
create the world we wish to see; a world without restraint.
To pursue the goal of gender-fucking the RNC, it has also been
proposed that a convergence should take place in Chicago the weekend
of April 5th. Radical Queers, Transfolk, Anarcha-feminists, and allies
are invited to come to Chicago to ensure the end of the old world, and
the beginning of ours. More information will be announced when the
details of this convergence have been worked-out. We are looking
forward to seeing all of you in Chicago in April, and the Twin Cities
in September.
For the liberation of desire and for dance parties amidst the ruins.
 Homepage:: http://mkeanarchy.bravehost.com/englishmain.html
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14.11.2007 - 17:00
fuckin sweet
a herd of kittens>
!
14.11.2007 - 21:29
Hell Yeah!
Basil Beardsley>
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15.11.2007 - 23:18
What are you talking about?
feel like an outsider>
dear feel,
16.11.2007 - 10:40
what are you confused about?
mario buda>
terms
17.11.2007 - 00:16
What does "gender fuck" mean?
outsider>
Wow.
17.11.2007 - 08:02
Seriously guys. Come on... No, really.
This is not an attack on homosexuality (although I am not a homo) but this has got to be the worst way to produce a message - and what kind? Look at this for what it is:
If the homos are marching publicly, then the public is the decided receiver of the message (who else would be?). The message is pro-homosexual, of which the public is: 1) largely not homosexual, and 2) although maybe sympathetic towards homosexuals, could care less if "militant" homosexuals walked out of their closets and into the street. The homos are obviously against the RNC (which is a swell deal), but desire to go consciously beyond that and make their message more about them (being homos) than their actual message.
Therefore, we have a public message - supposed to be in protest about the RNC assembly - which has been dwarfed by the message about their sexual preference that they (Yay!) made it out of the closet - oh, and into the street. The public views and, because they are not homosexual, polarizes the group (which they did by their own slogan); this in turn does more damage than good, if you want to make headway keep the slogans clean. Not only is this selfish (Me! Me! Me!), but it is unsound for a group of people who desire to create a social movement of tolerance and butt-fuckin' love.
Waste of energy. You guys will achieve nothing doing things this way. Maybe in your Riverwest microcosm its posh and trendy. But even amongst those you consider allies they find it goofy - trust me.
Dr. Faust>
bash back!
17.11.2007 - 16:20
Faust,
First I would like to say that this article says nothing about
"homosexuals" so Im not sure why you are using that term.
"Therefore, we have a public message - supposed to be in protest about the RNC assembly- which has been dwarfed by the message about their sexual preference that they (Yay!) made it out of the closet - oh, and into the street. "
Second, Im not sure if you decided to research ANYTHING about the strategy or messaging of the RNC protest before making your ignorant response. Which assembly or convergence decided the messaging of the disruption of the convention would be, "In Protest about the RNC assembly"??? Cause I have been to most if not all of the convergences about disrupting the RNC and at ALL of them it was decided that the messaging would make it clear that we are NOT just protesting the RNC but the system as a whole. Which includes, patriarchy, heterosexism, racism, classism, etc...
Third, how dare you as a straight person tell trans and queer people how to resist. That in itself should get you fucked up.
Fourth, the purpose of having green, yellow,and red zones is to allow a diveristy of tactics and messages.
Lastly, If you were to ever call me a homo to my face I would pepper spray you so hard.
Fuck off, fuck you, I hope you have kids and all of your children end up queermo drag queens, and I hope one of them hits you in the the head with a brick at the RNC .
Sept 1st 2008
Trannies and Queers will Bash Back.
F(a)G>
!
18.11.2007 - 18:37
Try showing up in riverwest and being open about your politics, dr faust. You and all fascists like you should expect nothing less than your broken mangled bodies in response. Go die.
hans arp>
Come on...
18.11.2007 - 20:03
You guys sure talk a good game. I'm not going to get into a big compu-match, but I tread quite a bit on the Eastside and never yet have I been met with any sort of attitude like of which is displayed here on this forum. I don't wear my ideology on my cuff, but I have words with you guys and never once have you pogs got tough. I know all your types, you're uncomfortable with conflict because of the lack of confidence in yourself - only when you can type some really nice mean stuff do you feel safe with it.
First, I wouldn't say that I'm giving advice to queers (OK, not homosexuals?) on how they wage their war, it is just corny as shit to think this is revolutionary. I mean come on, you guys are so drunk with your own message that you loose any ability of being taken seriously.
"Militant queers?" Isn't that an oxymoron anyway?
Oh, I've got kids, about your age, and they'd drop you quicker than anything.
Dr. Faust.>
Yes Sir No Sir
18.11.2007 - 21:57
Glad to hear that trannies and queers are planning on making a scene. However, isn't it a bit foolhardy to be posting these plans online where anyone can read them? How do you know that Pudding Pie is not a sniveling fedora-headed agent?
Pudding Pie>
Faust
19.11.2007 - 00:05
"You guys sure talk a good game. I'm not going to get into a big compu-match, but I tread quite a bit on the Eastside and never yet have I been met with any sort of attitude like of which is displayed here on this forum. I don't wear my ideology on my cuff, but I have words with you guys and never once have you pogs got tough. I know all your types, you're uncomfortable with conflict because of the lack of confidence in yourself - only when you can type some really nice mean stuff do you feel safe with it. "
So you walk around the East Side chatting about you're neo-nazi veiws? Okay, cool. But I wouldn't gauge how we'll treat you based on that response. We aren't fucking east-siders. Its silly how you assert that we are uncomfortable with conflict or with ourselves, yet you are the one who sympathizes with Neo-Nazis that have to keep their meetings secret and protected from the public that hates them. You don't know us, shut up.
"I mean come on, you guys are so drunk with your own message that you loose any ability of being taken seriously"
again, you really don't seem to understand what we are talking about here. We aren't trying to make a pro-homosexual message, we are going to shut down the RNC. Our actions aren't simply trying to convey a message, we intend to let them speak for themselves.
""Militant queers?" Isn't that an oxymoron anyway?"
Say that to my face. And do a bit of research before you make dumbfuck assertions.
"Oh, I've got kids, about your age, and they'd drop you quicker than anything. "
And I know a few trannies who would drop them even quicker
You clearly don't understand any any bit of what this post was about; you obviously have no knowledge of queer-identity (that it isn't a synonym for Homosexual), the RNC strategy (that its not a fucking protest), or what it means to be militant (it doesn't mean being authoritarian and a nazi, like yourself)
Basil>
Outsider
19.11.2007 - 00:12
to Genderfuck is the action of ridiculing, subverting, mixing, trashing, annihilating, bending and other-wise fucking-with gender and the gender binary.
Its a guaranteed party
Basil>
Holy fuck
20.11.2007 - 02:50
Thank you Basil for that explanation.
As for everyone else. It seems that Dr. Faust does (or didn't) have a clear understanding of certain terms (queer, trans) and decided they were synonymous with homosexual. Misunderstanding. Woops.
How does this amount do Neo-Nazism or Fascism.
As someone who is close friends with queer individuals, and has read literature on the subject of gender and queerness, I didn't know what was meant by "genderfuck". I still don't fully understand gender in our society; nor yours or my own conception of it.
But.
Can I assume that have a somewhat concrete conception of this world you want and that you want others to share that in some sort of common vision?
If so, it is vitally important when trying to convince others of a foreign concept, that they first not percieve you as assholes who go around telling everyone who misunderstands you or disagrees with you that they are fascist neo-nazis.
So please, if you respond to this, do so to engage and enlighten me. Otherwise you're just wasting your keystrokes.
And don't tell me I can come to a discussion on gender at the CCC, because I don't feel comfortable there.
Outsider>
Outsider
20.11.2007 - 17:37
"Faust" is in fact a neo-nazi, who frequently posts on this website to express his fascist views.
And as for your questions, I think that the intention of the phraseology "genderfuck the rnc" refers to the idea of opposing the racist, heterosexist, imperialist system in a way that simultaneously challenges gender-roles and the gender binary. The specifics of what that will mean in the streets is yet to be determined (which was actually the whole purpose of this article).
as for a view of the world we're aiming to create with respect towards gender; I personally want to build a world free of restraint, and inhibition and desire liberated; a world in which people are free to determine and express their gender and sexuality in any way they see fit, or to not determine it at all.
This is obviously a very important discussion to have, but i wouldn't rely on indymedia comments to facilitate that discussion. If you genuinely are interested in these things, seek them out.
Sykes>
dear outsider,
21.11.2007 - 11:26
In what ways does the Cream City Collectives make you feel unwelcome or make you uninterested in using its resources? How could the CCC change this and make it more welcoming for people who may be interested? Contrary to the normativity of the perceived identities involved we would like a diverse group of anti-authoritarians to be involved. We've talked about this a lot as individuals and as a collective to remedy this. We are not interested in being a elitist hangout club, but one that fosters a sustainable community of resistance to all forms of domination.
Often when people feel this way they don't tell us, so we don't know how people feel or how we could make it better.
mario buda>
examples
22.11.2007 - 11:43
"Lastly, If you were to ever call me a homo to my face I would pepper spray you so hard."
"Try showing up in riverwest and being open about your politics, dr faust. You and all fascists like you should expect nothing less than your broken mangled bodies in response. Go die."
If the CCC wants to associate itself with violent, reactionary stances like this, I'd just as much like to remove myself from a space like that. The same way I remove myself from religious institutions or army recruitment offices. Dogma and recruitment, no thank you. If you want to be good neighbors, loose the dogma. Stop talking about violence and killing cops.
uncomfortable>
Uncomfortable
22.11.2007 - 20:02
I feel safer knowing that people aren't willing to allow nazis to roam their neighborhood. I wouldn't feel comfortable in a space that wouldn't respond appropriately to fascists.
Comfortable>
uncomfortable
23.11.2007 - 14:07
Anyone who speaks for the CCC is lying? No one posting on this site has mentioned an official CCC policy toward violence or fascists. I think you're the only one to mention either.
mario buda>
uncomf
23.11.2007 - 16:27
Please re-read my earlier comment. I said nothing of an official CCC policy that I had a problem with. It's an issue of dogmatic unwillingness to compromise among it's members.
To comfortable:
As far as appropriate responses to nazis. All I have to say is;
Wow, indymedia, what a perfectly squandered opportunity for diologue. I'm thankful that I've been able to have a cordial exchange thus far with several of you. Conversely, Dr. Faust, despite views expressed previously, made a post that was reletively benign in my estimate. I don't see why, when the opportunity arises to have an exchange with opposing viewpoints, some people resort immediatly to idle e-threats.
Tsk Tsk
still not interested>
still...
23.11.2007 - 18:49
"I said nothing of an official CCC policy that I had a problem with. It's an issue of dogmatic unwillingness to compromise among it's members."
It we don't have a policy then no "member" who might randomly show up at a meeting or be associated with people who may can be made to hold the CCC accountable for what they say on the internet. One individual or a number of individuals can not be seen as the general and widespread opinion of all of the people that a part of a collective.
Anyway, who was saying anything about the CCC other than you? No one was saying, "we are the CCC and we want to kill cops and refuse dialog with anyone about anything" because it hasn't happened and would never happen. What the CCC does in no way encompasses all anarchist and anti-authoritarian opinion, only the opinion of those who are active with the collective.
What are we not compromising on and why do you assume that this a bad thing? Why should desires and passions be mediated by politicians and politics? This obviously really depends on what the issue is, but if it is an individuals reason to get up in the morning I won't expect them to easily discard this passion. Should we compromise and accept some domination as opposed to being against all domination? We'll always be accepting a lesser of two evils and never what really motivates us if we stay on this track. We'll have a nicer greener capitalism, that surely still kills us and the world, but maybe more slowly.
mario buda>
Hmmm...
24.11.2007 - 03:51
I seem to have this issue quite a bit: I try to get a rational dialog from these people and all they do is get emotional and upset; it would be nice to get some level-headed response, but not so far (Sykes' response is the closest to it).
In return, I have said a million times that I am not a "Nazi", and I want to show something to these lefties that might make them think a bit.
1) This is supposed to be an independent media source, no? Then how come my lengthy article about Ron Paul and his campaign was never printed? Sure I know you Reds don't agree with him, but the article encompassed this issue and how revolutionary his campaign is against corporate America and its industrial military complex.
This article was never printed and instead was CENSORED by the same site that declares free speech - as long as it is in line with a certain view. Sounds familiar?
2) The Reds on here will say I'm a Nazi (as anyone is who disagrees with their views and takes an opposing stance - no matter how moderate), and let's entertain them and say I am.
The Reds want to kill me - and others like me - because (as a Nazi) I see the world differently and want to create a state that is cohesive with those I want to live with: A state that would protect my rights and freedoms to live without hindrance. However, the Reds want to kill me because they see me as a threat to their utopian state and will do so without reserve. The Reds criticize because the Nazi will kill to achieve his aims, however the Reds will kill to stop mine to achieve his own. What is the difference here? Do not both sanction killing as a way to achieve their own state? Then what is the difference between the two - outside of ideologies residing on opposite sides of the political spectrum?
The Reds will fire back that they are not killers (nor am I and not a Nazi either), but I've been told to "die" many times on this site simply for espousing an opposing view. I think they are no different than Nazis, outside of their horrible taste in pageantry: The Nazis at least looked sharp and were organized - you Antifas look like clowns on a parade when you march: men on stilts, jugglers, etc.
I don't know, I think that the Reds here have become what they despise. Take a good look in the mirror and answer that honestly. But otherwise, let the name-calling begin!
Dr. Faust.>
dearest dr. faust,
25.11.2007 - 11:17
In a long winded way you try to make the arguement that simply being opposed to fascism makes you a fascist. This is laughable.
What particular category of fascism do you most closely identify with if not national socialism? We'll try to be more accurate in the future.
hans arp>
Ricola.
25.11.2007 - 15:00
I love how you Antis bob and weave to avoid any sort of confrontation. You spew your views and permit no challenge of them. That is dangerous, I'm scared a militant queer (whatever that is) is going to bust my door down and take me to the Gulag.
Dr. Faust.>
Location
30.11.2007 - 00:14
I brought up the CCC because that's where the consulta took place. And again, I didn't comment that everyone at the CCC agrees on every tactic and point of Dogma.
I do wonder about you all and if other people involved in the CCC get uneasy, as I do, when somebody talks about murder, or breaking and mangling bodies. They certainly don't comment thusly on this site. I just don't see the point, I don't see the fucking point of telling this supposed nazi to "go die" on an online comment board.
As far as your last paragraph, M. Buda, desires and passions should not be mediated by politics, but by a desire to find common ground with those whom you live with. I don't think any problem that you see will be solved without compromise.
comfort>
pr for CCC
30.11.2007 - 16:14
would you tell me when someone from the CCC ever said anything about murder and telling people to die?
You can't assume that because someone on this site comments on an article that is mildly associated with the CCC that they are involved with the CCC.
mario buda>
Rehash.
16.12.2007 - 08:21
I'm sure that we all can pull up our quotes of when the CCC made open threats about those they oppose... No, we can't. Who has that kind of information? However, I know personally in your girlish fits of rage that you would quickly put the noose around any Nazis neck if you could. It does not need to be said, the hostility is there; and in this you have become exactly what you oppose - you will hurt or even kill to advance your worldview over the antithesis of it.
We all have this in us, it is called being Human. However, I'm sure that when the fight comes down, it'll be your sickly body swinging before mine...
Since I cannot get anything logical out of you guys, I'll lower myself for a minute to really get your yellow, rotten teeth gnashing: You guys are the most pathetic group of people I have ever come to study; your perception of life from a humanist perspective has complete removed you from the Human (albeit, Natural) world. Your grotesque vegan frames are unable to act and are unworthy of propagation, making you unfit for competition in this world yet you have set the stage ripe for the whole world to compete against you! You burrow like rats in your diseased enclave of immoral and abstract values, not daring to venture out lest you prick your unshod feet and get smelled out by wolves via your disgusting hippie oil. You are appalling not only to me, but the whole city outside of Riverwest; I will like to see how all of you youngsters hold true to your values when you grow up.
In a nutshell: You suck.
Dr. Faust.>
words
24.12.2007 - 22:08
How much you know of our community is quite laughable for someone who claims to study it?
It's ironic that I have to tell you that we're not interested in dialog. There can be none and neither party is really interested in it.
has arp>
Ha
27.12.2007 - 03:20
its funny when Nazi's talk about other groups being reviled.
Henri Daggerthorne>
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